For a special live episode of The Thrive Global Podcast, Thrive Global founder and CEO Arianna Huffington sat down with Katy Perry as part of the singer’s “Witness World Wide” livestream promoting the release of her new album Witness. The two discussed their shared love of everything from sleep and forgiveness to meditation and disconnecting from technology.

Perry said she’d be taking time to recharge in the near future and wanted to unplug, “I’m going to try and stay off my phone a little bit.”

She and Huffington talked about the need to grant ourselves permission for something like recharging, coining the movement, “Shutoff Sundays,” a day to unplug, recharge and take a break from your devices.

“Just give yourself the weekend. You can give yourself one day,” Perry said. “That’s something I have wanted to do, and I’ve been so addicted to my phone. I keep on talking the talk and I really want to walk the walk.”

Huffington agreed, “It’s a day to basically be with yourself, be with your loved ones,” she said. “Read a book, a real book, not on screens.”

So why Sunday?

“You’re going to have to pick a day for yourself,” Perry said. “But for me that’s Sunday, and it feels very holy in a way.”

In a world where disconnecting from technology has become somewhat taboo, we need to embrace missing out.

“We can wear it like a badge of honor like, ‘Hey, you know, we have a life and we are okay to disconnect,’” Huffington said. “Instead of, FOMO, you know the fear of missing out?’”

“Eff FOMO,” Perry said.

“Eff FOMO, and go for JOMO,” Huffington said, referring to the joy of missing out.

“I’ve been a part of the problem in the past,” Perry said. “And I want to be part of the solution.”

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