What do you do when you’re one of YouTube’s biggest stars, with a community of over 8 million followers generating over 1 billion views? If you’re Michelle Phan, you take a break. Tune in as the self-made superstar tells Arianna Huffington about the moment she decided to step off of the influencer treadmill, and how she reinvented herself as a more sustainable entrepreneur. You’ll hear about microsteps, missteps and the difference between being lonely and being alone. Not to be missed.

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