In the WorkWell Podcast, by Deloitte, Jen Fisher — Human Sustainability Leader at Deloitte and Editor-at-Large, Human Sustainability at Thrive Global — sits down with inspiring individuals for wide-ranging conversations about how we can develop a way of living and working built on human sustainability, starting with ourselves. 

This week, Tia Graham, the founder of Arrive at Happy and author of Be A Happy Leader, discusses how to create a workplace where people feel empowered to find joy, purpose, and meaningful connection. 

On her own happiness role models: 

“I believe I am one of those humans who is genetically predisposed to be happy. I also learned some important happiness lessons from my parents. I saw them going through really challenging times and struggling. And then I saw them choose happiness and make choices to sustain it over and over again. And that was really impactful for me, especially as a teenager.” 

On the meaning of happiness: 

“A happy life to me is about having different experiences that make you wiser, and that push you to learn and grow. A happy person is someone who is taking care of themselves holistically, prioritizing their spiritual, physical, intellectual, and emotional well-being. And that’s different for each individual. For me, it means prioritizing my physical and mental health, my marriage, parenting my two daughters, taking care of my friendships, meditating, and praying.” 

On the importance of happy leaders:  

“You start with the leadership in a company, because you can’t expect your team to be happy if you’re not happy. Using neuroscience, you train leaders on how to increase and sustain the happiness of their associates — for example, by creating a culture of autonomy, having friendships at work, celebrating successes, and creating positive relationships.” 

On valuing everyone in the workplace: 

“I teach people how to create a culture where every single person is valued, so they feel like they belong, so they support each other and challenge each other. There is healthy competition, but everyone is working together and moving forward in a very effective way. It’s about having fun and joy, and making sure everyone’s voice is heard — and it means measuring well-being on an ongoing basis.” 

To hear more from Jen and Tia, listen to this full episode of WorkWell here, available wherever you get your podcasts. Visit the WorkWell library for the full collection of episodes. 


  • Jen Fisher

    𝗩𝗼𝗶𝗰𝗲 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘄𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 + 𝗵𝘂𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝘀𝘂𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗯𝗶𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆 | 𝖡𝖾𝗌𝗍𝗌𝖾𝗅𝗅𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝖠𝗎𝗍𝗁𝗈𝗋 | 𝖳𝖤𝖣𝗑 𝖲𝗉𝖾𝖺𝗄𝖾𝗋 | 𝖧𝗈𝗌𝗍 #𝖶𝗈𝗋𝗄𝖶𝖾𝗅l | 𝖳𝗁𝗋𝗂𝗏𝖾 𝖤𝖽𝗂𝗍𝗈𝗋

    Jen Fisher is a leading voice on the intersection of work, well-being, and purpose. Her mission is to help leaders move from the legacy mindset that well-being is solely the responsibility of the individual to the forward-thinking idea of human sustainability, which supports the long-term, collective well-being of individuals, organizations, climate, and society.  

    She’s the co-author of the bestselling, award-winning book, Work Better Together: How to Cultivate Strong Relationships to Maximize Well-Being and Boost Bottom Lines, the Human Sustainability Editor-at-Large for Thrive Global, and the host of the WorkWell podcast series.

    As the first chief well-being officer of a professional services organization, Jen built and led the creation and execution of a pioneering holistic and inclusive well-being strategy that has received recognition from leading business media brands and associations.

    Jen is a frequent writer on issues impacting the workplace today, including the importance of mental health and social connection to workforce resilience, happiness, and productivity. Her work has been featured in CNBC, CNN, Fast Company, Fortune, Inc, Stanford Social Innovation Review, and Harvard Business Review, among others.

    She’s a sought-after speaker and has been featured at events including TEDx, World Happiness Summit, Out & Equal Workplace Summit, Acumen Global Gathering, WorkHuman, The Atlantic Pursuit of Happiness event, and more. She’s also lectured at top universities across the country, including Harvard, Wake Forest, Duke, and George Mason.

    Jen is passionate about sharing her breast cancer and burnout recovery journeys to help others. She’s also a healthy lifestyle enthusiast, self-care champion, exercise fanatic, sleep advocate, and book nerd! Jen lives in Miami with her husband, Albert, and dog, Fiona.

    You can find her on LinkedIn or on Twitter and Instagram @JenFish23. You can also receive her personal insights and reflections by subscribing to her newsletter, "Thoughts on Being Well"