In the WorkWell Podcast by Deloitte, Jen Fisher — Human Sustainability Leader at Deloitte and Editor-at-Large, Human Sustainability at Thrive Global — sits down with inspiring individuals for wide-ranging conversations about how we can develop a way of living and working built on human sustainability, starting with ourselves.

This week, Ximena Vengoechea, user researcher, consultant, and author of Rest Easy: Discover Calm and Abundance through the Radical Power of Rest, explains how getting deep rest can improve the quality of our work and our relationships, as well as leading to more joy, ease, and fulfillment in every aspect of our lives.

On what it means to be deeply rested:

“Think of rest as any activity that is going to leave you either calm or energized relative to where you were before. It’s either going to help you to slow down and feel that sense of inner quiet, inner peace, and ease, or it’s going to give you a boost, bring you joy, and help you tackle whatever it is you want to tackle. I think of rest as both sides of that coin.”

On why many people don’t get enough rest:

“A lot of us have this idea that we are our output; we think sitting still is bad. There’s a thing called ‘idleness aversion,’ when you can’t sit still or relax. There’s a myth that taking time to rest means that you’re lazy. That often leads to an unwillingness to rest even when your body needs it. You think ‘I haven’t done enough work to deserve a break.’ And that can really get in the way of having a deeply rooted intuitive connection to rest.”

On pausing for brief breaks throughout the day:

“Look for little moments of rest that you can squeeze into your day, and create a bit of breathing space. Let’s say you’re at the grocery store waiting in line, and it’s crowded and stressful and you’re answering work emails. What would happen if instead you took those extra five minutes and just stopped to breathe? Many of us are attached to our devices, and another small way to rest is to disconnect in what I call ‘transition time.’ For example, leave your phone on your desk if you get up to get a snack, instead of impulsive grabbing it and taking it from room to room.”

To hear more from Jen and Ximena, listen to this full episode of WorkWell here, available wherever you get your podcasts. Visit the WorkWell library for the full collection of episodes.


  • Jen Fisher

    Human Sustainability Leader at Deloitte and Editor-at-Large, Human Sustainability at Thrive Global

    Jen Fisher is a leading voice on the intersection of work, well-being, and purpose. Her mission is to help leaders move from the legacy mindset that well-being is solely the responsibility of the individual to the forward-thinking idea of human sustainability, which supports the long-term, collective well-being of individuals, organizations, climate, and society.  

    She’s the co-author of the bestselling, award-winning book, Work Better Together: How to Cultivate Strong Relationships to Maximize Well-Being and Boost Bottom Lines, the Human Sustainability Editor-at-Large for Thrive Global, and the host of the WorkWell podcast series.

    As the first chief well-being officer of a professional services organization, Jen built and led the creation and execution of a pioneering holistic and inclusive well-being strategy that has received recognition from leading business media brands and associations.

    Jen is a frequent writer on issues impacting the workplace today, including the importance of mental health and social connection to workforce resilience, happiness, and productivity. Her work has been featured in CNBC, CNN, Fast Company, Fortune, Inc, Stanford Social Innovation Review, and Harvard Business Review, among others.

    She’s a sought-after speaker and has been featured at events including TEDx, World Happiness Summit, Out & Equal Workplace Summit, Acumen Global Gathering, WorkHuman, The Atlantic Pursuit of Happiness event, and more. She’s also lectured at top universities across the country, including Harvard, Wake Forest, Duke, and George Mason.

    Jen is passionate about sharing her breast cancer and burnout recovery journeys to help others. She’s also a healthy lifestyle enthusiast, self-care champion, exercise fanatic, sleep advocate, and book nerd! Jen lives in Miami with her husband, Albert, and dog, Fiona.

    You can find her on LinkedIn or on Twitter and Instagram @JenFish23. You can also receive her personal insights and reflections by subscribing to her newsletter, "Thoughts on Being Well"