In the WorkWell Podcast, Jen Fisher — Human Sustainability Leader at Deloitte and Editor-at-Large, Human Sustainability at Thrive Global — sits down with inspiring individuals for wide-ranging conversations about how we can develop a way of living and working built on human sustainability, starting with ourselves. 

This week, Brad Stulberg, the executive coach and best-selling author whose latest book is Master Of Change: How to Excel When Everything Is Changing – Including You, shares techniques for staying strong when we’re faced with difficult changes in life and at work.  

On coming to terms with change in the midst of personal and professional challenges: 

“Within the last six years, there has been so much change in my personal life. I’ve become a father two times, I’ve had major surgery on my leg that forced me out of a sport that was a central part of my identity, and I left a job with a large organization to go at it on my own. I moved across the country and I became painfully estranged from certain family members. Then of course there was COVID, which was the great collective societal change that we all experienced. And I started to think about change in my own life.” 

On how to foster a “rugged, flexible mindset”: 

“The first thing is to realize that change isn’t something that happens to you, but that change is something that you’re always in conversation with. The second important step in cultivating a rugged and flexible mindset is accepting reality for what it is. In order to work with change, you’ve got to confront it. You can’t deny it or delude yourself or pretend it’s not happening. Equally important is setting realistic expectations. So if you think that everything is going to be stable, always, you’re going to be in for a really rude awakening when things change, which they always do. Throughout the crazy weather of life, there will be times when you’re knocked down, no doubt. The goal of rugged flexibility is to be able to weather those storms.”  

On the value of simple routines: 

“When the world around you feels like it’s chaotic and complex, the more that you can have routines and sources of simplicity in your own life, the better. If you can still show up and do your workout every morning, spend Saturday afternoons in the garden, or have dinner with the family, those routines can help bolster us when we face the storm in other areas of our life.”   

On “diversifying” your sense of identity:  

“Think of your identity as a house; you can spend a lot of time in one room, but you’ve got to make sure those other rooms still exist. I’ve got my writer/author room, I’ve got my coaching room, but then I’ve got my husband room, my dad room, my neighbor/friend room, and my athlete room. What this does is that whenever there is a real downswing in one or maybe even two of those areas, I can walk into another room and gain stability and confidence there.”   

To hear more from Jen and Brad, listen to this full episode here, available wherever you get your podcasts. Visit the WorkWell library for the full collection of episodes. 


  • Jen Fisher

    𝗩𝗼𝗶𝗰𝗲 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘄𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 + 𝗵𝘂𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝘀𝘂𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗯𝗶𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆 | 𝖡𝖾𝗌𝗍𝗌𝖾𝗅𝗅𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝖠𝗎𝗍𝗁𝗈𝗋 | 𝖳𝖤𝖣𝗑 𝖲𝗉𝖾𝖺𝗄𝖾𝗋 | 𝖧𝗈𝗌𝗍 #𝖶𝗈𝗋𝗄𝖶𝖾𝗅l | 𝖳𝗁𝗋𝗂𝗏𝖾 𝖤𝖽𝗂𝗍𝗈𝗋

    Jen Fisher is a leading voice on the intersection of work, well-being, and purpose. Her mission is to help leaders move from the legacy mindset that well-being is solely the responsibility of the individual to the forward-thinking idea of human sustainability, which supports the long-term, collective well-being of individuals, organizations, climate, and society.  

    She’s the co-author of the bestselling, award-winning book, Work Better Together: How to Cultivate Strong Relationships to Maximize Well-Being and Boost Bottom Lines, the Human Sustainability Editor-at-Large for Thrive Global, and the host of the WorkWell podcast series.

    As the first chief well-being officer of a professional services organization, Jen built and led the creation and execution of a pioneering holistic and inclusive well-being strategy that has received recognition from leading business media brands and associations.

    Jen is a frequent writer on issues impacting the workplace today, including the importance of mental health and social connection to workforce resilience, happiness, and productivity. Her work has been featured in CNBC, CNN, Fast Company, Fortune, Inc, Stanford Social Innovation Review, and Harvard Business Review, among others.

    She’s a sought-after speaker and has been featured at events including TEDx, World Happiness Summit, Out & Equal Workplace Summit, Acumen Global Gathering, WorkHuman, The Atlantic Pursuit of Happiness event, and more. She’s also lectured at top universities across the country, including Harvard, Wake Forest, Duke, and George Mason.

    Jen is passionate about sharing her breast cancer and burnout recovery journeys to help others. She’s also a healthy lifestyle enthusiast, self-care champion, exercise fanatic, sleep advocate, and book nerd! Jen lives in Miami with her husband, Albert, and dog, Fiona.

    You can find her on LinkedIn or on Twitter and Instagram @JenFish23. You can also receive her personal insights and reflections by subscribing to her newsletter, "Thoughts on Being Well"