Ram Dass was one of the most influential spiritual teachers in the West since the late ‘60’s, sharing his homegrown wisdom based on traditional Eastern philosophy. I had the good fortune to have a couple of hour-long video chats with him as I was writing my novel Nirvana Blues. The insights and knowledge were most valuable in helping make the story authentic. His journey from a Harvard University professor (known as Richard Alpert) to a yogi was documented in the book Be Here Now and inspired many people to look in the same direction. One person was Steve Jobs, who after reading the book as a teenager, went to India in search of Ram Dass’s teacher. This true story was the inspiration for my novel.  

Listening to the recordings brought back a flood of memories of the wonderful man who sadly passed away in 2019. We were constantly laughing, taking turns cracking each other up – it was like having a conversation with a New York stand-up comedian who had studied Eastern philosophy most of his life.

The first conversation happened when I was on holiday in southern Spain, chatting from a friend’s recording studio on a beach with a view of North Africa. It was 3am, exactly twelve hours ahead of Ram Dass at his home in Maui. He started by saying he had also worked on a book while in Spain, which was a nice way to synchronize. As I shared my story he corrected me on some names from the Ramayana (the epic tale from ancient India) as it features in my book, and told me some of his favorite episodes. 

He spoke a lot about Hanuman, the monkey god that helped the exiled prince Rama and represented devotion to God. He explained that when Rama’s wife was kidnapped, Hanuman was sent to her with a ring to show Rama was coming to her aid. This act symbolized God’s love for his devotee. He also said that Hanuman had to be reminded he had the power to fly and this was an example of how we all have potential but need to be told. The conversation was very lighthearted and I would occasionally tease him which prompted him to say that maybe I was Ravana, the twelve headed demon from the Ramayana. He said it in a joking way, saying my teasing him was a challenge to not get into his ego. 

Towards the end of our call his face started to zoom in and out of the screen. I was starting to wonder if I was having a contact high triggered by the tales of his psychedelic research at Harvard that preceded his spiritual quest. By then it was 4am so my mind was halfway in an alternate reality. Then I realized he was in a wheelchair, rolling forwards and backwards, ready to end the chat.

When I spoke to him a couple of years later he had read part of my early draft. Ram Dass kindly apologized for making the call at that late hour for me and said I was a good writer which was a wonderful compliment to hear. He liked that I used some quotes of his early tutor like ‘yogis in the jungle don’t have to fear snakes because snakes know heart’. He said if my characters can find peace it certainly gives other people an idea that it’s possible, noting how I “get that Eastern stuff in the philosophical words of the characters.”  

Talking about all the craziness in the world I said that I believed we are at the bottom of the Kali Yuga (the darkest of the four Hindu ages) and he started laughing really loud and said that Yugas are a long, long period. He said we can hope, even if it is the Kali Yuga. “Why don’t we make it about turning the corner now. The young people are idealistic. There is plenty of it (idealism) around. There is hope. The Western teachers of real yoga are expanding now. There are teachers like one who’s got tattoos all over but is a wonderful yogi and teaches meditation to gangs in LA. Also, there’s a record by an Australian DJ who put my words to modern music and it’s great. The kids that are coming up really like it but I can’t stand it. Rock ‘n’ roll was real music.”

Turning to his early days he said “I’m disappointed that the 60’s have not gotten more press, more attention. They were exciting and altering for the society. They come into the culture now in the background. There is still a magic in that period. I don’t see most people are aware of it.” Referring to his early involvement with yoga I said: New Age, what’s so new about it? It’s actually really old and he replied it was old, old, old!

I asked him if he had any hints for living a centered life. He answered: “That would be karma yoga. Karma yoga is taking your incarnation and making it into a yoga. You can watch the movement of your mind and watch the thoughts. Then you become identified with the watcher and not have to get identified with your thought process. I do it with repeating Ram, Ram, Ram. Going inside when I’m walking on the street or rolling on the street. That’s my anchor. The anchor can be your breath. The anchor can be identifying with awareness. Awareness in your heart space is a sort of identifying with the Jivatman (individual soul) or the Atman (greater self). I have worked with a little phrase which is: ‘I am loving awareness’. Then you can be aware of your sight and your sound and you can also be aware of thought. Now your attention is in your heart instead of being in your ego. Take a part of your day (for this) and just a part of it because it’s a little too demanding to take all of your life. Or take something which is maybe where your desires are prevalent and get aware of your desires. Get aware of your interactions with other people. Get aware of your emotions. Get aware of your opinions.”

He mentioned my profession: “You’re living in a reasonably fast world because you’re living in media and communications. And both of those are captivating. You’re like the brother of Ravana. He is trying to live within the demon community and still have Rama as his Savior. And you’re sort of doing the same thing (laughing).” I told him that’s an improvement because the last time we talked he called me a twelve headed demon. He laughed some more and said: “So there is progress.”  

Nirvana Blues by Chris Corbett is available online and at your local bookstore starting 10-10-20.  


  • Chris Corbett

    author of Nirvana Blues

    Chris Corbett was born in the UK with the creative background of a grandfather who was a best selling author in 1920's London as well as the first Artistic Director of the BBC. Chris grew up in Northern California where he was educated at the University of California in Berkeley and Santa Cruz and after moving to Los Angeles he worked for Playboy Magazine, Walt Disney and on an Academy Award winning film in addition to documentary film projects in Europe, America and India. He also owned a publishing business for eight years with a rock stars brother-in-law, operating from one of the oldest studios in Hollywood. Moving to Switzerland he’s been engaged in corporate communications at several multinational organizations, contributed articles and photographs to various publications and had his fiction work published in a short story collection. He’s currently finishing off a non-fiction book called The White Game that shows what the Matterhorn, David Bowie, mindfullness and downhill racing all have in common. His first novel, Nirvana Blues, was released in 2020 and a second novel is on the way, set in the world of the international art scene and private banking.